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Clash of the Worlds: Mutiny
Aired: October 28, 2007 on BBC 2, RT 58:14.
Exploring how past conflicts between a Christian West and Islam can help explain more recent violence. In the next three weeks this series looks at three great clashes between a Christian British Empire and Islam: the Indian Mutiny of 1857, the Mahdi uprising in 1880s Sudan and the creation of the state of Israel in the first half of the twentieth century. The first programme tells the story of the Indian uprising in which both sides committed atrocities in the name of their faiths.
Exploring how past conflicts between a Christian West and Islam can help explain more recent violence. In the next three weeks this series looks at three great clashes between a Christian British Empire and Islam: the Indian Mutiny of 1857, the Mahdi uprising in 1880s Sudan and the creation of the state of Israel in the first half of the twentieth century. The first programme tells the story of the Indian uprising in which both sides committed atrocities in the name of their faiths.
Aug 7, 2008 10:37 AM
Re: Clash of the Worlds: Mutiny
The Ghaznid and Mogul conquests of India massacred, in the name of Islam, perhaps 100 million hindus over the course of 500 years, destroying millions of temples, wiping Zoroastrianism - one of the worlds oldest religions - completly off the map, and pushing Buddhism out of the subcontinent (where it began) almost entirely. This happened centuries before the British even had an empire.
400 years before the crusades, Hordes of Arabs marched out of the penninsular, burning christian Damascus to the ground and besieging Christian and Jewish Jerusalem for 4 months before its surrender, upon which the infidels were subjected to archaine segregation laws far worse than anything blacks had to endure in post civil war America.
Over the course of 4 centuries, all of Byzantium was destroyed, from Egypt to Anatolia. In the mid 9th century, well before the crusades, the Vatican was sacked by Muslim hordes.
Less than 1 century before the 1st crusade, the Fatamid Caliph known as Hakim "the mad" destroyed every remaining church and synagogue in Jerusalem - including the holiest site in all of Christendom, the holy seplcre, and massacred over 3000 families, putting the heads of the children on pikes. All in the name of Islam.
But of course, its all Christianity's fault, and the British as well.
400 years before the crusades, Hordes of Arabs marched out of the penninsular, burning christian Damascus to the ground and besieging Christian and Jewish Jerusalem for 4 months before its surrender, upon which the infidels were subjected to archaine segregation laws far worse than anything blacks had to endure in post civil war America.
Over the course of 4 centuries, all of Byzantium was destroyed, from Egypt to Anatolia. In the mid 9th century, well before the crusades, the Vatican was sacked by Muslim hordes.
Less than 1 century before the 1st crusade, the Fatamid Caliph known as Hakim "the mad" destroyed every remaining church and synagogue in Jerusalem - including the holiest site in all of Christendom, the holy seplcre, and massacred over 3000 families, putting the heads of the children on pikes. All in the name of Islam.
But of course, its all Christianity's fault, and the British as well.
By: poonhound
Re: Clash of the Worlds: Mutiny
My thoughts exactly. From conquerors who killed and razed along the way, they went to victims in a perpetual state of catharsis that never attains resolution.
- "But, but... the infidel drove us out of India!"
- Right. Now who did YOU drive out of India when you stole that land, you toxic fucking avenger?
- "Blah blah blah" (insert your favorite nonsensical religious gibberish here).
- Oh, I see, India BELONGED to you, is that it? It's Allah's will that you steal, but it's an affront to Allah when somebody else steals from you, isn't it?
Absolutely, the British wave of fundamentalism was barbaric all across the board, and for every action there's a reaction, but look at how Hindus eventually dealt with the situation: driving the British out through non-violence, while able to maintain an amicable relationship, still one of the most extraordinary events in history, as far as I'm concerned, and incomprehensible to petulant children in adult form.
How did the sign read during the cartoon protests? "Behead all those who say Islam is not a peaceful religion". I can't imagine how these assholes could state my own case so clearly and completely.
But after the British left, what happened? Massacre between Hindus and (you guessed it) Muslims, resulting in the creation of Pakistans both West and East (now known as Bangladesh).
And now, there's petro-dollars to buy technology from the West, to eradicate the West. Talk about having your cake and eating it, too. I'm talking to you, Wahhabi "Elite" "Warriors", declared an abomination almost a hundred times by Imams both Sunni and Shia.
Fundamentalism, in all its' colors and flavors, is little more than a septic infestation on the face of the planet. Mind you, septic infestations spread and may be fatal.
Two solutions in tandem to this situation:
1. Alternative energy sources. Nothing will shrivel these arrogant, willfully ignorant bastards more completely than solar power in our homes and cars. But just try telling that to the Texas oil robber barons.
2. Education, education, education. I believe the rate of illiteracy in Saudi Arabia today is around 80%, I imagine similar numbers pervade large tracts of the Middle East, making it fertile ground for bullshit of the highest magnitude.
- "But, but... the infidel drove us out of India!"
- Right. Now who did YOU drive out of India when you stole that land, you toxic fucking avenger?
- "Blah blah blah" (insert your favorite nonsensical religious gibberish here).
- Oh, I see, India BELONGED to you, is that it? It's Allah's will that you steal, but it's an affront to Allah when somebody else steals from you, isn't it?
Absolutely, the British wave of fundamentalism was barbaric all across the board, and for every action there's a reaction, but look at how Hindus eventually dealt with the situation: driving the British out through non-violence, while able to maintain an amicable relationship, still one of the most extraordinary events in history, as far as I'm concerned, and incomprehensible to petulant children in adult form.
How did the sign read during the cartoon protests? "Behead all those who say Islam is not a peaceful religion". I can't imagine how these assholes could state my own case so clearly and completely.
But after the British left, what happened? Massacre between Hindus and (you guessed it) Muslims, resulting in the creation of Pakistans both West and East (now known as Bangladesh).
And now, there's petro-dollars to buy technology from the West, to eradicate the West. Talk about having your cake and eating it, too. I'm talking to you, Wahhabi "Elite" "Warriors", declared an abomination almost a hundred times by Imams both Sunni and Shia.
Fundamentalism, in all its' colors and flavors, is little more than a septic infestation on the face of the planet. Mind you, septic infestations spread and may be fatal.
Two solutions in tandem to this situation:
1. Alternative energy sources. Nothing will shrivel these arrogant, willfully ignorant bastards more completely than solar power in our homes and cars. But just try telling that to the Texas oil robber barons.
2. Education, education, education. I believe the rate of illiteracy in Saudi Arabia today is around 80%, I imagine similar numbers pervade large tracts of the Middle East, making it fertile ground for bullshit of the highest magnitude.
By: niktemadur
Re: Clash of the Worlds: Mutiny
It's a centuries-old conflict that will never work itself out. None of it surprises me at all.
By: TeeheeRuler
